Sunday, May 10, 2009

Pakatan open to talks about about Perak solution

This may be an interesting development to resolve Perak State Assembly Crisis

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/26048-anwar-pakatan-open-to-talks-about-about-perak-solution

Monday May 11 2009
Anwar: Pakatan open to talks about about Perak solution

BUTTERWORTH, May 10 - The opposition pact is prepared to hold
discussions with any party, including Umno and Barisan Nasional, to
find ways to resolve the Perak political crisis, Opposition Leader
Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said.

The Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) advisor said there was no reason for
Pakatan to reject good intentions on the part of any party to resolve
the matter.

"There is no reason to refuse good intentions, including from Umno and
BN, provided that the discussion will be followed up by actions that
are in accordance with the law," he told reporters after meeting the
Permatang Pauh Village Security and Development Committee chairmen
here today.

He was asked to comment on a statement by Prime Minister Datuk Seri
Najib Tun Razak today that the BN was prepared to cooperate with the
opposition parties to resolve the Perak political crisis.

Najib had made it clear, however, that the BN would not agree to a
coalition government. - Bernama

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COMMENTS: It may be too easy said than done.

But I would be expressing
my personal opinions about the "co-operation" between BN and Pakatan
that may resolve the impasse. As the root cause of Pakatan government
to fall short of the majority is because of the 3 unfaithful State
Assemblymen, it may unfair to other State Assembly men and Assembly
women and also costly to dissolve the State Assembly which the Sultan
of Perak may have that point in mind.

I think the best solution is to declare the 3 seats vacant for the
following reasons:-

1) Because the Perak people have been cheated by these 3 people who
used the recognized Party Manifesto and won the seat under the Party's
banner and not under personal manifesto.;

2) Whatever principle may apply to US or UK on legality to hop to another
party is inapplicable to the scenario in Perak State govt because one or two State Assembly men may hop to another party but not to cause the
change of State Government which is total a different story in the
interest of the Rakyat or People of Perak

3) The morality of these 3 Party hoppers or quitters are questionable
which warrants fresh by-elections of these 3 seats only and let the
People of Perak decides just on these 3 seats.

Both BN and Paakatan or independents can challenge these 3 seats and
make their manifesto clear esp. for the independents. In this way, the
anger of the People of Perak may dissipate because they felt cheated
by these 3 persons.

Perak State Assembly on May 7, 2009 is highly questionable on its
legality because the order of the House was not adhered to. Before the
Sultan had declared open the sitting, how could BN move a motion to
remove the Speaker?

How could the suspended Assemblymen could be
present in the House and showed contempt to the House when the Speaker
had ordered them to be expelled?

How could the sergeant-at-arms was
not doing the job to keep the House in order to escort the suspended
Assemblymen to get out of the House?

These Assemblymen can sue the
Speaker for the contempt of court but not take the Law in their own
hands to call for the Police to remove the Speaker by force! Majority shall rule but not ian nay uncivilised manner. How could the "MB" Zambry breaching the Special & Previleges Committee's rules and was suspended was still present in the sitting? How could the Court interfere with the Special and Previleges Committee's ruling?

Where is the Separate of Powers when the Police and State Assembly lawmakers
should be always independent?

Under what sections of the Police Act empower them to go inside the
Chamber to remove the Speaker? When Karpal Singh was "bullied" by
gangsters, what did the Police say to excuse themselves of
responsibility?

Now what is the reason given to empower them to
interfere with State Assembly Sitting???

Pakatan may be wrong to advocate party hopping to form the new govt on
Sept 16 but it was their wrong agenda. But BN should know better what
is right and wrong. By following the wrong concept of Pakatan does not
qualify you or legalize the wrong principle started by Pakatan.

Now who did the wrongful act is accountable to the People of Perak. The
battle between BN and Pakatan shall be long if BN hold to power
through illegitimate ways. By Monday, the official MB shall be known.

My simple understanding is that the MB could request the Sultan to
dissolve the State Assembly and shall resign as MB on the condition
that the State Assembly is dissolved. Of course the Sultan can decline
the request. Under such circumstances, then the MB shall retain his
post until a vote of no confidence is tabled against him. It is
technical but missing this technical aspect becomes illegal as the
rule of law is made to be obeyed. No one is above the man-made law.
One cannot change the law the way or reinterpret the law the way he likes in order to achieve one's selfish agenda.

If ex-MB Nizar lost the case against Zambry, it is TOTALLY
unacceptable because the dissolution of State Assembly is the
justification for MB to relinquish his post. If the dissolution does
not take place, then the MB shall retain his seat until a vote of no confidence
shall remove him. I do not think the BN legal counsel was right to say the seat of MB "is automatically vacant" when he requested the Sultan
to dissolve the Assembly. The dissolution must take place before the
Post of MB is vacant. This seat of MB falls vacant is conditional and
not automatic. The dissolution of assembly must take place otherwise
the lawmakers had made unfair law to the advantage of the powerful
few. If Sultan can appoint the MB, then it does not require a
democratic election process to elect the candidate to heading the
Party. So the principle of laws must be observed and the interest of
the People must be taken into consideration.

If Zambry won the case, it will create a precedent case for other State to fall into the same
state as in Perak by money politics and persuasion to hop to BN for
monetary gains. So the vicious cycle of selfish gains through party
quitting and hopping and unfair practices will continue if the Court
cannot decide fairly. The Court should help to put an end to all party
hopping and quitting by making a stand against them.

What do other people say? I would let you post the comments below. Thanks.

Friday, May 8, 2009

Questions about legality of Perak Assembly on May 7, 2009

As a layman, I followed closely on the yesterday Perak State Assembly
as how the Speaker could be removed when any motion to be passed have
to be approved by the Speaker himself. As Speaker of the House, no
doubt the power vested in the House but once elected and took oath
before the ruler, is there any provision for the removal of the
Speaker spelled out in the Standing Orders?

This article puzzled me about the correct interpretation of the
Standing Orders by this Um-no legal adviser which seems to have
distorted the literal interpretation to any one learned in English.

Friday May 8, 2009
Umno lawyers defend actions against Sivakumar and passing of four motions
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/5/8/nation/3860859&sec=nation

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In an interview with Bernama, Umno legal adviser Datuk Hafarizam Harun
maintained that all actions by Barisan were legally correct.

He said the removal of Sivakumar was valid as the motion was filed
more than 14 days before the sitting and therefore it had to be
deliberated and decided on at yesterday's sitting. "Under the Standing
Orders, any motion brought more than 14 days must be tabled for the
Dewan to decide.
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REBUTTAL: In the first place when the Speaker announced the 10
suspended MB and his excos to leave the Assembly Hall, why the order
was not followed? Why the sergeant-at-arms is not doing the job to
expel the suspended excos?

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"Article 36A (1) (b) stipulates that in the absence of a Speaker, the
Deputy Speaker shall preside until the appointment of a new Speaker,
and Hee (Yit Foong) filled in so it was a proper appointment," he
said.
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REBUTTAL: Article 36A (1) (b) was misquoted out of context because the
term "in the absence of a Speaker" does not authorize the removal of
the Speaker and neither the Speaker is absence in the Assembly at the
point of time when the power grasp occurred.

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On Pakatan Rakyat's claims that the assembly was illegal, Hafarizam
said there was royal consent for the sitting and the meeting had also
been gazetted.
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REBUTTAL: The royal address to declare open the sitting commenced
around 3:10PM while the business of the day had started before the
Royal Address. So how could the motions passed be valid???

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Sivakumar had earlier argued that the suspension of Mentri Besar Datuk
Zambry Abdul Kadir and his six executive councillors was made in his
capacity as the chairman of the privileges and the special rights
committee and not as the Speaker.

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COMMENTS: As whether or not the Speaker is right, let the Court
decides. But the 10 suspended BN men should seek court order and not
ask the Police to interfere in the seating. Where is the separation of
powers for Police and State Assembly???

I shall concur with the views of this writer:-

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/25862-more-question-legality-of-yesterdays-perak-assembly-decisions

More question legality of yesterday's Perak Assembly decisions
By Debra Chong

KUALA LUMPUR, May 8 – More parties are weighing in on the legality of
the removal of V. Sivakumar from the office of Perak State Assembly
Speaker and the election of his replacement, R. Ganesan, the
ex-assemblyman for Sungkai, as well as two other motions.

Lawyer and president of the National Human Rights Society (Hakam)
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar disagreed with the views of Datuk Hafarizam Harun
and Datuk Muhammad Shafee Abdullah, who have been quoted as saying the
motions passed yesterday were legal.

"I don't agree with the views expressed by Hafarizam and Shafee. I
don't see how it can be valid," Malik Imtiaz told The Malaysian
Insider today.

He noted there were too many questions on the procedures that took
place inside the assembly chambers, casting doubt on its legality.

"In the first place, the question is how is it that the sitting came
to that part where YB Hee took over the proceedings?" he asked,
referring to Hee Yit Foong, the Jelapang assemblywoman and deputy
speaker.

"If Sivakumar was rightfully there, how could she have taken over?" he
added, referring to Hafarizam's explanation which cited Article 36A
(1)(b) of the Standing Orders allowing the deputy Speaker to act in
place of the Speaker.

Imtiaz said he had heard conflicting versions of yesterday's events,
including one that claimed Sivakumar was absent from the chambers at
one point during the proceedings.

He also questioned the presence of plainclothes police officers inside
the chambers.

"The police have absolutely no power in the assembly chamber," he
said, and referred to the earlier statements made by then Home
Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar and the Inspector General of
Police in March after Pakatan Rakyat MP Karpal Singh was roughed up in
Parliament.

Syed Hamid and Tan Sri Musa Hassan had both affirmed the police could
not interfere in the assembly chambers even if there was a fight and
only the sergeant-at-arms had the power to arrest.

"The police acted without authority. They had become in effect agents
of a political party rather than an independent enforcer of the law,"
said Imtiaz, stressing Sivakumar was still the proper Speaker at that
point in time.

While he stresses his views did not mean the Pakatan Rakyat (PR)
lawmakers were absolved from any wrongdoing, he rejected Datuk Seri
Zambry Abd Kadir's explanation that the BN had no choice but to call
in the police when things got heated.

"They said they had no other choice but that's not true. They could
have filed for a court order and cited Sivakumar for contempt of
court. They did not do so and resorted to self-help but self-help is
not allowed under our legal system," Imtiaz said, heatedly.

"In fact, that force had to be resorted to – by using the police to
forcibly remove Sivakumar from the chamber without basis – it is
indication enough that Barisan Nasional did not have a political or
legal solution to the difficulty it found itself in."

He also questioned: "At which point did the assembly begin?"

"If Raja Nazrin's speech was to start off the session how could they
conduct any business before that?" he asked.

He highlighted the Raja Muda of Perak as Prince Regent, who was to
open the assembly, had entered the chambers only at about 3pm, after
the tussle for the Speaker's seat and after three other motions –
Ganesan's election as Speaker, new members for a side committee and
declaring invalid the previous Pakatan Rakyat-mooted sitting under a
tree – were passed in.

Imtiaz also pointed out that the assembly had also flouted other
conventions, including not holding the swearing-in for Ganesan to be
Speaker. This, he noted, was usually held in another ceremony at
another time before the ruler.

"These are the things that give me doubt as to the validity of the
motions passed," said the lawyer who was recently the recipient of an
international human rights award.

"Ultimately, there is a stalemate here," he said, and added if Prime
Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak was "sincere about 1 Malaysia, he
cannot allow the BN to condone such actions."

For constitutional law lecturer from International Islamic University,
Professor Abdul Aziz Bari, "the writing is on the wall".

Abdul Aziz said he agreed with PR's Datuk Seri Mohammad Nizar
Jamaluddin that yesterday's sitting was "illegal and
unconstitutional."

"As far as I'm concerned, the way they went about to elect the new
Speaker is wrong. The Speaker is still Sivakumar," said the
academician.

He noted that the chain of events from February 5 up to yesterday –
from the political crossovers of the elected representatives to the
court rulings overturning Sivakumar's decisions to suspend the
assemblymen – made it, at best, "highly dubious" that yesterday's
motions were legal from his point of view.

Like Malik Imtiaz, Bar Council president Ragunath Kesavan agreed the
Perak situation had come to a point where there was no way out but for
the Sultan of Perak to dissolve the assembly and pave the way for
fresh elections to clear the existing mess.

"Our position is that the legal side will not resolve this because
every lawyer has a different view," he told The Malaysian Insider over
the phone.

"Personally, I think there are arguments for and against. One point is
when is the commencement of the sitting? Another is whether the
Speaker has the power to reject the tabling of the motions." he said.

"But PR is a minority now and BN has a stable majority with 28 plus
three independents," he added.

Ragunath stressed the best way out of the problem was to place the
decision in the hands of the voters.

"I don't think in a democracy, to go back to the people so soon after
the general elections is a problem, he said.


By Syed Jaymal Zahiid

KUALA LUMPUR, May 8 — An Umno leader, who is a former state
assemblyman in the prime minister's Pekan constituency, has described
the chaotic events in Perak yesterday as a shameful coup d'etat which
could end in failure for the Barisan Nasional (BN).

Datuk Mohd Ariff Sabri Abdul Aziz, who was Pulau Manis state
assemblyman in Pahang until 2008, said yesterday's events may well
tighten the noose around BN.

The former Umno lawmaker made the remarks in a posting on his
Sakmongkol AK47 blog today.

Besides Mohd Ariff, veteran Umno leader Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah had
also lamented recently that the Perak power grab had reduced Perak
into a failed state.

Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, an ally of Najib, has also remarked that BN
had been too hasty in its efforts to take power in Perak, suggesting
that some of the ruling coalition's methods may have stretched the
interpretation of certain legal and constitutional provisions.

"The coup d'etat would surely place the plotters and perpetrators an
ignominious place in history. All the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) had to do
was to give enough rope for the BN people to hang themselves.

"If it was a putsch, then like such similar events in history...they
will fail. This one in Perak will fail to endear Umno and BN with the
people," Mohd Ariff wrote.

The general opinion on the street, said Mohd Ariff, was that the
people were "outrightly disgusted with what is happening in Perak and
for a party that hollers loudly its intentions to regain the support
of the people, it has instead and ironically, done more to repel than
regain support towards it."

"Perak will become a political quicksand that will drag Datuk Seri
Najib Razak in. Unless he gets out from the quicksand either by being
pulled out or grabbing a pole, Perak will prove to be his political
waterloo," said Mohd Ariff.

"Resentment has reached a stage where what Umno says is no longer
believable and where lies dished out by Pakatan Rakyat and its high
priest (PKR de facto leader) Anwar Ibrahim are believable. We lose
more by obstinacy," he added.

For Mohd Ariff, the only thing left to do for Umno was to return to
the people their rights to self determination which means calling for
fresh elections saying "it's better to lose honourably than to win
detestably."

He also reasoned that Umno had perhaps executed a grave mistake by
using the police to unlawfully remove Speaker V. Sivakumar from the
state assembly.

"The photo showing the poor speaker being dragged out will be forever
etched in the minds of millions. It was high-handedness at its most
foulest," he said.

For the first time in the country's history, the police transgressed
its jurisdiction and made its way into a state assembly to physically
remove an officer of the legislature.

Many opposition leaders have blasted the incident and described it as
a day of infamy and points towards a bleak future for democracy in the
country.

DAP supremo Lim Kit Siang in a statement issued today said Malaysians
should keep the pictures of Sivakumar being dragged out by police
officers and "goons."

"The sight of Sivakumar being physically dragged out of the Perak
state assembly stands as an indictment of the prime minister who
orchestrated the Perak coup d'etat," he said.

PAS information chief Mahfuz Omar said what the police did was
disrespectful to the state constitution which he argues recognises
Sivakumar as the legitimate speaker.


"It is abominable that a state apparatus like the police had to
disrespectfully interfere with matters of the legislature and ignore a
vital aspect of democracy which is the separation of powers," he told
The Malaysian Insider.


Newly appointed PKR information chief Latheefa Koya said the police
interference was an obvious reflection of how unethically partisan the
state machinery like the police is.


"Again the police have been used by the ruling coalition to serve
their interests," said Latheefa.


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Sungai Rapat assemblywoman Datuk Hamidah Osman who was also present
answered on behalf of Hee.

"Even if the motion was rejected, under Standing Order 13(2) the
mentri besar has the power to table an emergency motion," said
Hamidah, who was in the limelight last year for her controversial
remarks on Indians that was tinged with racism.

Hamidah added Datuk Seri Dr Zambry Abdul Kadir has the right to table
an emergency motion without prior notice as the mentri besar.

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REBUTTAL: In the first place, is the presence of the suspended MB in
the House legal? If the ruling of Privileges and the Special Rights
committee is not quashed by Court, then which provisions of the Court
Order refrained the Speaker not to abide by it?

Lastly, the removal of the Speaker from the House is illegal as Police
cannot interfere with the sitting in the chambers.